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Temat postu: Mieczysław Wolski (1892)
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Hallo, I'm searching for my great grand father Mieczysław Wolski and his ancestors. But I can't find him in the church books which are online here: http://metryki.genealodzy.pl/metryki.php?op=pw&wo=SK
These are the details that I know about him:
Name: Mieczysław Wolski
born: 13.08.1892 in Kielce
died: 28.10.1937 in Tiraspol (Moldova)
his father: Romuald Wolski
He lived in Russia/Ukraine. In the town of Kotovsk he lived from the mid 1920s to the 1930s. I don't know when he moved from Poland to Russia. In 1937 he was arrested during the political repression and has been executed. He is also listed as a victim of political repression on this site: http://lists.memo.ru/index3.htm (Вольский Мечеслав Ромуальдович).
As I said, I searched the church books. But why can't I find him there although I have an exact birth date (from an official document). Can someone please help?
I also searched for Romuald Wolksi and found this:
http://geneteka.genealodzy.pl/index.php ... _date=1900
Could the one born in 1867 be the father of Mieczysław Wolski? I don't know. There is no source mentioned, no scan. |
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Bez scanu Aktu urodzenia Mieczysława Wolskiego ,nie można jednoznacznie powiedzieć ,ze są to rodzice.
Akta stanu cywilnego Katedralnej Parafii Rzymskokatolickiej w Kielcach
https://szukajwarchiwach.pl/21/86/0/-/s ... bJednostki
https://szukajwarchiwach.pl/21#tabInformacje
http://baza.archiwa.gov.pl/sezam/pradzi ... rch=szukaj
Kielce-po zalogowaniu, zajrzyj też na Facebook
http://metryki.genbaza.pl/
Akt urodzenia Chęciny ,25.04.1867r.scan 97 (013)
rodzice:
Romuald Stanisław Wolski urodzony 19.04.1867r, Zgórsko
Bolesław Wolski lat 23,Maria z Otkiewiczow lat 22
http://poczekalnia.genealodzy.pl/gal/in ... TQ0ZmQ1YTA
Ślub 07 lipca 1866 r.scan 50 (061),Chęciny
Wolski Daniel Boleslaw ,kawaler, lat 23,urodz.w Czarnowie parafi kieleckiej oj.Gustaw Wolski,m.Maryanna Mieszkowska,dzierżawcy we wsi Żarnowie zamieszkałych
Marya Otkiewicz lat 20 ,panna,urodzona w Drozgowie gub.lubelskiej
córka dziedzica dóbr Zgórsko Romualda Otkiewicza,Anna Nałkowska
http://poczekalnia.genealodzy.pl/gal/in ... jZkZDNmODU
Ślub rodziców 1837 rok
Otkiewicz Romuald, Natkowska Anna
Pawłów, scan 57,1837rok
Krzywa Wola, dnia: 15-11-1837, On- O: Kazimierz, M: Krystyna , Ona- O: Michał, M: Zuzanna
Scan 57
https://szukajwarchiwach.pl/35/1893/0/2 ... rvisxIldFA |
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Arek_Bereza |
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Temat postu: Mieczysław Wolski (1892)
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[quote="Pobłocka_Elżbieta"]Bez scanu Aktu urodzenia Mieczysława Wolskiego ,nie można jednoznacznie powiedzieć ,ze są to rodzice.
Akt urodzenia Chęciny ,25.04.1867r.
rodzice:
Romuald Stanisław Wolski urodzony 19.04.1867r, Zgórsko
Bolesław Wolski lat 23,Maria z Otkiewiczow lat 22
http://poczekalnia.genealodzy.pl/pliki/ ... 93-100.jpg
Ślub 07 lipca 1866 r.
http://poczekalnia.genealodzy.pl/pliki/ ... 47-050.jpg
Wolski Daniel Boleslaw ,kawaler, lat 23,urodz.w Czarnowie parafi kieleckiej oj.Gustaw Wolski,m.Maryanna Mieszkowska,dzierżawcy we wsi Żarnowie zamieszkałych
Marya Otkiewicz lat 20 ,panna,urodzona w Drozgowie gub.lubelskiej
córka dziedzica dóbr Zgórsko Romualda Otkiewicza,Anna Nałkowska |
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Romuald and Kazimiera lived in Warsaw in 1924 where their daughter was married.
Their first child i found in Korytnica 1891. Romuald was 23 so he propably married Kazimiera 1888-90.
And Yes, i think he was broń in 1867 in Chęciny
Włodku, Elu Mieczysław urodził się w Korytnicy. Link powyżej. Data dzienna zgodna |
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Thank you all for your information. Although it's difficult to understand everything with the crappy google translator. (I would be happy if you could answer in English, German or Russian when possible.)
Until now I was not able to register at genpol.com (I'm not getting past the second step), so I cannot see http://metryki.genbaza.pl/genbaza,detail,95282,10 . Is there another way to see it?
Is Mieczysław Wolski in Korytnica born on 13.08.1892, or is it another date?
If it's the same date then I think it could be him.
The information about Romuald Wolski and his parents is intersting if he's my relative. But I'm not sure yet.
There is another information I can give you. Somehow a Wojciechowski family has a connection to my Wolski relatives. I don't know what connection it is - either they are friends or relatives. Do you see a Wojciechowski in one of the scans?
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I was now able to register at genpol.com and I read the page in the book. Yes the birth date is the same 13.08./25.08.1892. The name of the child Mieczysław is right and the name of the father is Romuald and it's not far away of Kielce. I didn't know that Mieczysław's second name was Tadeusz. But that's really interesting because Mieczysław gave his first son the name Tadeusz and his second son the name Romuald. I'm quite sure now that this is him. What do you think? |
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Thank you Krystyna. Yesterday at night I finally registered at that page and now I'm searching in those books for more traces of my polish ancestors. I'm quite confident now, that all the above mentioned people are my relatives. There are some more questions that I have and I hope to get some more help.
Here is my first question:
As I said before, the Wojciechowski family is somehow connected to the Wolski family. In the following scan (no. 97) a person called Antonie Wojciechowski is mentioned, you can also see his subscription on that document:
http://poczekalnia.genealodzy.pl/pliki/ ... 93-100.jpg
Would you please translate to me what is written there about him (starts at line 5)?
Second question:
I found the death of Romuald Otkiewicz, who died in 1867:
http://poczekalnia.genealodzy.pl/gal/in ... YjVkZDY1Yw
Is this Romuald Otkiewicz, father of Mar(y)ia Otkiewicz and son of Kazimierz and Krystyna? What was the date of death and his age? Is Stanislaw Otkiewicz his brother? |
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1. Birth certificate 25.04. 1867
witness: Antoni Wojciechowski 22 yrs, flunkey. Nothing more
2. Act 56
Stanisław Otkiewicz - brother, 61 yrs
second person is his nephew - Daniel xxxx..? - I can,t decipher - 40 yrs
Romuald died 16.03.1867, 68 yrs laird, born in... - I can,t decipher -
parents: Kazimierz i Krystyna |
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Thank you very much Krystyna!
There is also a death certificate of Stanisław Otkiewicz from 1868 which you can find here: http://poczekalnia.genealodzy.pl/gal/in ... DlkNTIyMmY
There you can see the name of Daniel, it's "Łuchi" I think. Must be 41 years, right? You said the age of Stanisław Otkiewicz on the other document was 61 (isn't it 65?). On this document (one year later) it reads like 76. Or is it 66? Is it a fault of the writer? It should be the same person I think/hope. What is the exact death date of Stanisław?
And then there is (on both documents) the place of birth that we can't really decipher, especially the first part: "Danidgród(ku) Gubernii Minskiy Powiecie Pinskim". I couldn't find a place called Danidgród but it must be in the area of Pinsk (today Belorussia). Do you have an idea what village/town it is? |
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Daniel Łucki, 41 years, nephew
Stanisław, 76 years, born in Danigródku, Gubernii Minskiej, Powiecie Pinskim.
The exact date of death was in 06.02.1868.
This Danigródek should be somewhere in Pińsk Uyezd. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinsky_Uyezd
Here https://www.radzima.net/pl/uezd/pinskiy.html you can find some villages that were in pińsk uyezd. |
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no. 56 is 68 years.
His nephew or writer of the document made a mistake, that's common in death certificates.
Earlier documents should be here https://www.familysearch.org/search/cat ... %20Library |
_________________ Ewa
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Thank you for the link. Yes, I also think that the last document has a mistake. Good to know that it's common. In no.56 Romuald Otkiewicz, who died, is 68 years old. His brother Stanisław (line 2-3) is 65.
Another interesting fact:
There is another Stanisław Otkiewicz who also died around February 6th/7th 1868 and who also lived in Zgorsko but died in Piekoszów. The witnesses are others. His age was only 52:
[picture 47, no. 15]
http://poczekalnia.genealodzy.pl/gal/in ... jJlNTc2OWY
So both died at practically the same time, are citizens of the same village, have the same name but died at different places and had different witnesses. Very strange. What do you think about it? |
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