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Temat postu: Help with German Lutheran Church Record
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I am search my family named Brak (also spelled Braak, Brack, Krack). They were Lutheran from Pisz and Nida. I have the Lutheran Baptismal Records for three children from Family Search
Two of the records have the following notation under the address: "Milit" followed by the numbers "26 / 1059". I am guessing this means he was in the military but not sure. Does anyone know what this notation might mean on a baptismal record? and what it is referencing?
Thanks very much
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Tadeusz_Wysocki |
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Temat postu: Help with German Lutheran Church Record
Wysłany: 17-05-2023 - 13:24
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Hi, your main question concerns the notation "Milit", and it's possible the person was noted as "die Military" in German (the Military in Eng), but the most important would be the context of all text - our friends from this forum speclialized with this kind of metrical records must see all - you are pleased to place them and show us with gallery GA.PA Help Room: https://narodowa.pl/dzial/genealogia-epigenetyka/
The second point from your message is your family name Brak, and also spelled as Braak, Brack, Krack...? I've checked quickly the genealogical indexes from this part of Poland - Warmia and Masuria - already made by our PTG society volunteers - you must know only part of Lutheran church books have been indexed, with very limited time of the church book period and places (I'm not sure Pisz and Nida are included). But maybe these small traces some small would help you and others in the genealogical and family history roots search, checking all churches in the area:
With family name Brak - no indexes/records, you must know "brak" in Polish language is a lack 
With family name Brack:
Births: https://geneteka.genealodzy.pl/index.ph ... rdertable=
Marriages: https://geneteka.genealodzy.pl/index.ph ... rdertable=
Deaths: https://geneteka.genealodzy.pl/index.ph ... rdertable=
With family name Krack:
Births: https://geneteka.genealodzy.pl/index.ph ... te=&exac=1
Deaths: https://geneteka.genealodzy.pl/index.ph ... rdertable=
+ there are some records with Krak, for eg birts: https://geneteka.genealodzy.pl/index.ph ... rdertable=
Sorry for the flood of information.
Cordial greetings
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henderson501 |
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Temat postu: Help with German Lutheran Church Record
Wysłany: 17-05-2023 - 13:56
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This is great information and I appreciate the effort and time you took to provide me information to review. You were very kind to help me.
Blessings and regards
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Tadeusz_Wysocki |
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Temat postu: Help with German Lutheran Church Record
Wysłany: 17-05-2023 - 15:39
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Drogie forumowiczki i drodzy forumowicze,
A więc mamy przed chwilą przesłany przez O. Charlsa ten dokument, z wielką prośbą do mądrych oczu o pomoc:
https://narodowa.pl/exhibits/baptismal- ... arl-brack/
"Here is a photo of Carl Brack’s baptism in 1841 in Nidden, Johannisburg, Ostprussia. Carl was a son of my 3rd Great-grandfather Ferdinand Brack
I am looking for information on the reference “Milit 26/1059” and the translation of the words Carl’s name and the word after Ferdinand Brack. I would like to know the translation of the headings of the document."
= To jest zdjęcie wpisu urodzenia Carla Bracka rok 1841 Nida (Ruciane-Nida), Pisz, Prusy Wschodnie. Carl był synem mojego Prapradziadka Ferdynanda Bracka.
Poszukuję informacji na temat oznaczenia "Milit 26/1059" i przetłumaczenia pełnego imienia Carla i słów po Ferdynand Brack. Chciałbym również prosić o przetłumaczenie nagłówka dokumentu.
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Z moim prostym angielskim mnie poprawcie.
Z góry wszystkim za pomoc bardzo dziękuję |
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Temat postu: Help with German Lutheran Church Record
Wysłany: 18-05-2023 - 11:34
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Hi dear Charles, you must know all my messages sent to your email address have been refused by your email box, and this the only way with this forum to inform you have received, after your next ask re Boleslaw Kalski's roots the first help from Katarzyna, please reply there:
https://genealodzy.pl/forum-genealogicz ... 0000.phtml
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henderson501 |
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Temat postu: Help with German Lutheran Church Record
Wysłany: 18-05-2023 - 14:49
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I am sorry about the email, I have sent you another e-mail to reach me. Thanks for all your help and guidance.
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Temat postu: Help with German Lutheran Church Record
Wysłany: 19-05-2023 - 11:38
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Yes, I receive it, thank you! But the general reward is going to many members of this forum! Our forum Katarzyna yesterday sent one sentence that is helping to decipher the names from this record:
"Carl Brak / Brack urodzony w 1841 w Ruciane Nida był synem Ferdynanda i Joanny Zagiewka"
"Carl Brak / Brack born 1841 in Ruciane Nida was the son of Ferdynand and Joanna Zagiewka"
Bravo Katarzyna! |
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henderson501 |
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Temat postu: Help with German Lutheran Church Record
Wysłany: 19-05-2023 - 13:31
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| Thanks to Tadeusz and Katarzyna!!! |
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Tadeusz_Wysocki |
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Temat postu: Help with German Lutheran Church Record
Wysłany: 20-05-2023 - 14:52
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The reward is going to Charles from Baltimore!!
I have for you for today two points:
Re this record of the birth of Carl Brack (Brak) - my old Polish eyes (73 y) see the family name of the mother Suzanna as not Sagiewka mentioned before but Sagiewski. Maybe this is not important with lack of one s, but maybe with other genealogical records the family name would be given Sagiewki, Sagiewski also for female.
I also see the name typed after Susanna Sagiewski - his father was Carol Sagiewski?
And finally re your main question re the note "Milit 26 / 1059", I've tried to find anything in net, here are some words with Wiki and other sources:
One possibility is that it refers to a regiment number and a company number within the Prussian Army. The Prussian Army had a system of numbering its regiments and companies, which changed over time. For example, in 1806, there were 55 infantry regiments numbered from 1 to 60 (with some gaps), and each regiment had five battalions with five companies each. The companies were numbered from 1 to 25 within each regiment. So, if this system was still in use in 1841, the number 26 / 1059 could mean the 26th regiment and the 9th company (1059 mod 25 = 9).
The other possibility is the internal number of the church / local military office registration, that church was obliged to note with the record, as for eg the future marriage or death, but we don't know the system.
The second point is an unusual surprise for you, I'm just finishing the text "BRONISLAW KALSKI's FAMILY ROOTS FROM POLAND TO AMERICA - THE FAMILY STORY AND VIRTUAL TOUR WITH FAMILY CHURCHES" that I want to place like an addition to this your exhibit with gallery GA.PA: https://narodowa.pl/exhibits/bronislaw-kalski/ - GA.PA and other virtual pages with family mementos and memories: long live Collective Memory and Imagination!
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Temat postu: Re: Help with German Lutheran Church Record
Wysłany: 20-05-2023 - 15:01
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TadeuszTadWysocki napisał:
Zagiewka (Zagiewki for male)
No nie, Pan Marchewka dalej nazywałby się Marchewka, a nie Marchewki. |
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Temat postu: Re: Help with German Lutheran Church Record
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henderson501 napisał:
I am search my family named Brak (also spelled Braak, Brack, Krack). They were Lutheran from Pisz and Nida. I have the Lutheran Baptismal Records for three children from Family Search
Two of the records have the following notation under the address: "Milit" followed by the numbers "26 / 1059". I am guessing this means he was in the military but not sure. Does anyone know what this notation might mean on a baptismal record? and what it is referencing?
Thanks very much
Father Charles
My great great grandmother surname was Brack, but it was also spelt Brach, Brauch, Bracht, Brak, Brok, Brock, Broch. She got married in Warsaw in the lutheran church, but she came from Poznań (Posen in Prussia). Her parents were Christof and Louise nee Sarych. Unfortunately, I cannot find any trace of her family. I only know that some members of her family immigrated to Germany. One of her relatives becam lutheran pastor there.
Best,
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Temat postu: Re: Help with German Lutheran Church Record
Wysłany: 20-05-2023 - 17:23
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| Rodzina o nazwisku Brak ( bardzo rozbudowana) z poznańskiego to zupełnie inna Rodzina. Ta pochodzi z Piszu i Elbląga. Jutro napiszę wiecej |
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Temat postu: Re: Help with German Lutheran Church Record
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kat_pas napisał:
Rodzina o nazwisku Brak ( bardzo rozbudowana) z poznańskiego to zupełnie inna Rodzina. Ta pochodzi z Piszu i Elbląga. Jutro napiszę wiecej
Z Piszu, Elbląga i Nidy. Skąd wiadomo, że te rodziny nie miały ze sobą nic wspólnego ? Luteranie byli często rzemieślnikami, kolonistami i przemierzali spore odległości. Mój pradziadek urodził się i ożenił w Warszawie, a pochowany jest pod Olsztynem.
Pozdrawiam,
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Temat postu: Re: Help with German Lutheran Church Record
Wysłany: 20-05-2023 - 22:06
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| To wszystko jest prawda. I wszystko jest możliwe. Nic nie stoi na przeszkodzie by dokonać takiej analizy, wyszukać metryki i powiązać Rodziny. Życzę powodzenia |
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Temat postu: Re: Help with German Lutheran Church Record
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kat_pas napisał:
To wszystko jest prawda. I wszystko jest możliwe. Nic nie stoi na przeszkodzie by dokonać takiej analizy, wyszukać metryki i powiązać Rodziny. Życzę powodzenia
Powodzenie bardzo potrzebne, bo z powodu kilkunastu wersji nazwiska i przenoszenia się z miejsca na miejsce, spalonych metryk itp., ciężko znaleźć powiązania.
Pozdrawiam,
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