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Temat postu: Looking for family Kroke/Brzoza/Piechatzek  PostWysłany: 15-07-2020 - 16:19


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I posted on a different part of this Forum as well in the hope more people would read.
Hello. I hope that I can find someone that can help me find my ancestors that came from Beuthen(Bytom) area in Poland. It's long and complicated and very hard to find any information, but I do have some. My grandfather was Kurt Kroke, Oberkellner, Gieschestr.41 (Beuthen Stadt, Polen). born on 14th February 1900 in Konigshutte Poland. He was first married in Hindenburg Zaborze (now Zabrze) 25 October 1922 to Anastasia Gertru Brzoza.(born 21 Aug 1900).

Now it gets tricky. I think( guess) they had two children- Uschi born in 1931 and Anne Marie( born in 1932) and Anne Marie is my mother! I can't find any birth certificates, but I do know that when the family ended up in Fassburg Germany, declarations were made as to the birth date of Anne Marie. ( I have that document). Now, Kurt remarried in November 1934 to a woman Piechatzek. She was already pregnant and gave birth to Ingeborg on 27 Dec 1934. A DNA comparison from myself and Ingeborg proves she is only a half-sister to Uschi and Anne Marie as her match to me is a second Aunt, not a full aunt.

So, I am looking for information about first wife Anastasia Gertru Kroke (Brzoza). Why did it take 9 years before she had 2 children with Kurt? That would not be normal back in the 1920s/30s!
I have tried looking up the name Kroke, but it seems it is not a very common name and almost no results. Is it a common name from Poland in 1920?
I don't expect any real answers here, but if anyone can help, or point me in the right direction, I would be very happy. Maybe post on a different section in theses forums? And I appreciate that there may be people on here that could help, but perhaps do not understand English and I have no knowledge of Polish, but I do speak some German.
 
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Temat postu: Looking for family Kroke/Brzoza/Piechatzek  PostWysłany: 15-07-2020 - 18:38
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Here the birth certificate of Anastazja Gertruda Brzoza (act number 919)

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2114441

Act number 322 - wedding of Kurt and Anastasia Gertruda

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2114433

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Temat postu: RE: Looking for family Kroke/Brzoza/Piechatzek  PostWysłany: 16-07-2020 - 12:07


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Thanks, I have already managed to find that.... I should add that the Kroke family left Beuthen when the Russians invaded in WW2 , making their way, finally, to Fassburg in Germany.
Can anybody tell me what'district' Beuthen comes under? Is it Silesia ?
 
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Temat postu: RE: Looking for family Kroke/Brzoza/Piechatzek  PostWysłany: 16-07-2020 - 16:39
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It is Silesia

the name Piechaczek/ Piechatzek in Silesia

https://geneteka.genealodzy.pl/index.ph ... rdertable=
 
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Temat postu: RE: Looking for family Kroke/Brzoza/Piechatzek  PostWysłany: 16-07-2020 - 18:59


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Thanks for that. I have now found she had two brothers. What I can't find is anything to do with who she married in 1922 - to Kurt Kroke, my Grand Father.
I have JPGs of his marriage certificate that I'd like translated but can't find any way to add an attachment...
I also need birth records for their first two children, Uschi born in 1931 and Anne Marie, born in 1932, presumably in Beuthen. However, I don't believe they exist because in Fassburg, Kurt Kroke made a declaration of birth to the local district for my Mother. If he had a birth certificate, he would not have needed to do that!
Also , I need to move on to when they lived in Germany. I'm finding it difficult to see something similar for the Fassburg area ( Landkreis Celle) Can anyone help with links for Germany ? I would be looking for the birth of the third child Ingeborg who was born to Kurt's second wife.
 
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Temat postu: RE: Looking for family Kroke/Brzoza/Piechatzek  PostWysłany: 16-07-2020 - 20:09
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Anastasia Gertruda's parents' wedding
https://geneteka.genealodzy.pl/index.ph ... 899&exac=1

Anastasia Gertrude's siblings

https://geneteka.genealodzy.pl/index.ph ... 909&exac=1

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Temat postu: RE: Looking for family Kroke/Brzoza/Piechatzek  PostWysłany: 18-07-2020 - 17:08
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Ancestry: Anna Marie Kroke
https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/pe ... cessSource


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Temat postu: Re: RE: Looking for family Kroke/Brzoza/Piechatzek  PostWysłany: 18-07-2020 - 17:37
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I have JPGs of his marriage certificate that I'd like translated but can't find any way to add an attachment...

Download the document to some platform - e.g. google drive, dropbox - and paste the link to it here.

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Temat postu: Re: RE: Looking for family Kroke/Brzoza/Piechatzek  PostWysłany: 19-07-2020 - 17:26
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https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/pe ... cessSource

a family tree of Kurt Kroke and Franciszka Piechatzek

there are their death years

marriages of Kurt and Anastazja
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eOn1oS ... sp=sharing

Kurt Kroke and Frances have a daughter Ingeburg V. married William M Hodnett ( born 12.07.1930 Lynchburg, demised 11.03.1995 Lynchburg)

https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse ... cessSource
 
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Temat postu: Re: RE: Looking for family Kroke/Brzoza/Piechatzek  PostWysłany: 30-07-2020 - 18:06
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Here is a civil birth certificate of Kurt Kroke, from Königshütte (Chorzów).
Nr 224.
Father - August Heinrich Kroke, was an employee of the steelworks
Mother - Valeska Margarethe Hanetzki
The family was evangelical. They lived at Beuthenstrasse.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/93akn7bi0huk ... 3.jpg?dl=0

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Temat postu: RE: Re: RE: Looking for family Kroke/Brzoza/Piechatzek  PostWysłany: 30-07-2020 - 19:00


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Thanks everybody for the replies. It is really appreciated especially the google drive share.
Now I have to find when Kurt Kroke married for the third time in Germany, possibly Dusseldorf between 1957 and 1963 The wife he took already had a child called Renata ( presumably from a previous marriage). My German records only go up to 1929.
 
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