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Hello!
On 6.02.1921 in Żyrardów, in the presence of witnesses Adolf Sass, 33, worker from Żyrardów, and Adolf Jakubiak, 29, farmer from Michałów a religious marriage took place between Karol Sass, 25, bachelor, farmer, born and living in Michałów, son of deceased Jan Sass and his living widow Szarlota born Klatt
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Emilja Lutz, 21, maiden, born and living in Karolinów with her mother, daughter of deceased Gotlib and his living widowJoanna born Roswach.
There were 3 banns, no prenuptial agreement. The act was signed by the pastor, Karol Sass, Emilia Sass born Lutz and Adolf Sass.
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Hello!
4.03.1829 in Aleksandrów.
Daniel Reuman, 30, appeared with witneses Ludwik Becker, 36, and Krzysztof Hofman, 33, all farmers living in Ruda, and presented to us a baby boy born yesterday at 10 pm from his wife Anna born Rozner, 28.
At christening performed today the boy was named Gottfried and his godparents were Krzysztof Hoffman and Dorotka Becker.
Signed only by the pastor
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Dear Yvette,
#36 - marriage of Daniel Rayman and Rozina Dorotea Rozenau
Aleksandrów 24.10.1826
In the presence of witnesses Godfrid Szultz, 34, farmer, and Krzysztof Hofman, 33, farmer, living in kolonia Ruda Bugaj, a religious marriage took place between
Daniel Rayman, 22, bachelor, farmer born and living in Ruda BUgaj, son of Godfrid Rayman living in Ruda Bugaj and deceased Eleonora, spouses
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Rozina Dorotea Rozenau, 17, maiden, daughter of Gotlib and Krystianna Rozenau, born and living with her parents in Ruda Bugaj.
3 banns, no prenuptial agreement, permission for marriage given orally by bride's parents present at the ceremony.
Signed by the pastor only.
#117 birth of Samuel Rayman
Aleksandrów 18.08.1833
Daniel Rayman, 28, tenant in Ruda Bugaj, appeared with witnesses Krzysztof Hofman 44, and Samuel Bort, 30, both tenants in Ruda, and presented a boy, stating that he was born in Ruda on the 12.08 from his wife Rozyna Dorota Rozener aged 24.
At christening performed today the boy was named Samuel, and his godparents were Krzysztof Hofman and Samuel Bort.
Signed by the pastor only.
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Dear Yvette,
this death record states that witnesses Daniel Rayman, 23, son of the deceased and Gotlib Rosner, 45, farmer, both living in Kolonia Ruda, registered the death of Gotlib Rayman, 71, widower, who died on 8 Nov 1827 of swelling. The death was registered in Aleksandrów Lutheran church on 9 Nov 1827.
Nika
PS. it seems that the colonists of Ruda Bugaj started coming to this area around 1782. After 1800 the owner of the land encouraged inflow of migrants because he wanted workers for textile (wool) factories.
Bratoszewski helped to organize the parish, even brought pastor Tuve to lead it in 1801, built a prayer house and a school.
Note that the town, Aleksandrów, was named after the ruling tzar Aleksander.
https://osadnicy.info/pl/postacie/rafal-bratoszewski
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Dear Yvette,
#113 birth of Karolina Rozenau
Aleksandrów 15.07.1826
Gotlieb Rezonau, 42, farmer, appeared with witnesses Gotfrid Cynk, 40, and Gotfrid Szeyn, 35, both farmers, living in Holendry Bugaj, and presented a girl, stating that she was born in Ruda on the 27.06 from his wife Krystiana Fidler aged 39.
At christening performed today the girl was named Karolina, and her godparents were Gotfrid Cynk and Marianna Elżbieta Cynk and Gotfrid Szeynfeld and Krystyna Szeynfeld.
Signed by the pastor only.
Nika
PS. Given the history of Ruda Bugaj, it made sense to search for records in Zgierz prior to 1820's.
I found one - birth of Anna Juliana Reyman, daughter of Gotfrid Rayman, 36 and Anna Elżbieta Taube, 27, his wife, born on 2 Sept 1820, and registered in Zgierz RC parish.
According to Napoleonic code (ruling law in Księstwo Warszawskie and Królestwo Polskie between 1808 - 1825) registration was civic and there was no religious ceremony.
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Wysłany: 19-06-2018 - 13:30
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Hello Nika,
Amazing how you all continue to teach me and I just love learning the history. I am so very thankful for all of your help.
I have found what I think is a marriage record of a sister to Daniel. In it, perhaps we have Daniel's mother Elenora's lastname.
#3
http://metryki.genealodzy.pl/metryka.ph ... 210&y=1260
I thank you again,
Yvette |
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Dear Yvette,
this is a marriage between Jan Samuel Ergank (Ergang?) and Anna Rozyna Rayman.
Aleksandrów, 7.01.1828 at 2 pm.
In the presence of witnesses Andrzej Ptak, 30 and Daniel Rayman, 26, farmers in Kolonia Ruda a religious marriage took place between
Jan Samuel Ergank, bachelor, farmer, son of farmer Krzysztof and his wife Anna Rozyna Taubien, both still living in Ruda, born on 14.03.1809 in Ruda
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Anna Rozyna Rayman, maiden, daughter of Gotlieb and his wife Eleonora Szulc (Schultz?), living with her parents in Ruda, born on 25.11.1808 in Ruda.
3 banns, no prenuptial agrement, parents' permission was given orally at the wedding ceremony.
Signed only by the pastor.
Kind regards
Nika
PS
Out of curiosity I looked at 1821 Aleksandrów RC marriages (civic at the time) and I found the marriage of Andrzej Hek, 30, worker, and Katarzyna Reyman, 23, living in kolonia Ruda, daughter of Gotlib and Anna Reyman, both 60 yrs old. To my astonishment it stated that she was born on 10.12.1798 and was registered in Zgierz RC parish.
http://metryki.genealodzy.pl/metryka.ph ... =418&y=456
and looking at Zgierz latin books there she is.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=720920
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Wysłany: 27-06-2018 - 20:43
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Oh wow, thank you so much.
Appears that we have the birth record for Katarzyna, proves daughter of my Gotlib and Anna. I went backwards and found another birth record for the parents Gotlib and Anna. It is also in Latin but I have a very hard time reading it so I am not sure. I posted it on the latin board for translation into English or Polish which I can read.
I thank you Nika again - this is all coming together so well thanks to you and everyone here at Genealodzy,
Yvette
Hello again,
I found Katarzyna married a second time,
#42
http://metryki.genealodzy.pl/metryka.ph ... =1&x=0&y=0
Looking for help on translation.
I thank you in advance,
Yvette |
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Wysłany: 01-07-2018 - 08:38
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Dear Yvette,
this one is interesting, it shows how things got mixed up in records.
This is the marriage of Katarzyna Hett and Wojciech Draber.
8.11.1829 Aleksandrów
In the presence of witnesses Krzysztof Ergank, 53, farmer from kolonia Ruda, and Jan Ratke, 48, farmer from kolonia Adamów, a religious marriage took place between
Wojciech Draber, 31, bachelor living in kolonia Antoniew, born in kolonia Demby, son of Marcin and Anna Rozyna born Kwast, spouses Draber, both living in village of Zalesie
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Katarzyna Hett, 30, widow, living off her own land, born in kolonia Brużyca , daughter of Gotlieb and Leonora born Szulc, spouses Reyman, both deceased.
3 banns (on 11, 18, 25 Oct)
signed by pastor Tuve only, the others do not write
So Katarzyna was allegedly the daughter of Eleonora Szulc, while we already know it was not so.
Kind regards
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Wysłany: 01-07-2018 - 22:01
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Thank you Nika, I too think this was a mistake but perhaps a good one. Here is why..
I believe Gotlieb married three times - First wife is Małgorzata last name unknown
Gotlieb is then a widow, and married again Anna Maria Hartel 1792
I know Gotlieb Rejmann and Eleonora Scultz to be parents of my Danial and he was born about 1801.
The Last known Child of Gotlieb and Anna Maria was Katarzyna born 1898. So the only mother she would have ever know would have been Eleonora (her step mom) and I could see her listing Eleonora as her mother.
Of course this is all a guess, for I have not found any death records for the first two wives of Gotlieb, nor the marriage record of Gotlieb and Eleonora.
I keep hoping that the records I am finding help to piece this together, but still I feel there is much uncertainty.
I have another birth record that might offer some more to the puzzle;
#96
Son of Katarzyna Draber
http://metryki.genealodzy.pl/metryka.ph ... 501&y=1897
I thank you Nika for all of your help -
Yvette |
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