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Temat postu: Family Jan Potocki x Katarzyna Popek from Biedaczow(Zielonka
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Hello
At least 2 children of ythis family emigrate to USA. I know one of them - Agnieszka POTOCKA (10906-2009).
Does anybody have some data about the other children born in BIEDACZOW between 1911 and 1925 ?
Thank you for your Help
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Temat postu: Family Jan Potocki x Katarzyna Popek from Biedaczow(Zielonka
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Temat postu: Family Jan Potocki x Katarzyna Popek from Biedaczow(Zielonka
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Elza,
Thank you very much for this documentation.
As you guessed my request was following a previous search about this family. So I know most of thes documents except 1905 census and arrival of supposed Jan POTOCKI in 1900.
This family, according to the Katarzyna's declaration on her passsport request stay in the USA between 1900 and 1911.
On the Katarzyna's arrival -feb 24, 1900, if you go to the next page of the manifest you can read that Katarzyna at declared she is going to stay with her sister in PASSAIC;
That's the main point of my request : who is this sister ?
More ever she had a brother Marci/Martin borned in 1884 who came too in the US and stay in the New London county, CT where he install a big family with numerous descendants.
As to Agnieszka- borned really in 1906- she came in 1924 with her husband and lived too in the New London County
, CT She died in 2009 at 103 years old ( see obituary on line). Se is survived by a niece Genevieve P YONTA, that's to say Agnieszka has a brother who came too in the US;
That's all my knowledge about this family. Miss two holes I'd like to complete.
Thank you again for your help. May be could you find other element ?
Best regards.
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Temat postu: Re: Family Jan Potocki x Katarzyna Popek from Biedaczow(Ziel
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Temat postu: Re: Family Jan Potocki x Katarzyna Popek from Biedaczow(Ziel
Wysłany: 14-09-2023 - 18:56
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Elza,
You can't imagine how funny it is to share information with a person who find the same records. That's mean your work is validate. Thank you very meuch.
Other findings from today confirm the hypothesis of ZIELONKA and village around
a Jan POTOCKI, 16 y old, arrive in the USA on june 2, 1925.
with a us passport n° 596, deliver in Warsaw, april 2, 1925
he is said borned on december 12, 1908 in BROOKLYN, NY
and will stay 159 Wythe Av BROOKLYN, NY
That raise the hypothesis of an Agnieszka's POTOCKA brother.
Have you an access to the passport records past april 1, 1925 ? On Familysearch they infortunately stop their index records on march 31, 1925 .
More ever, it seems the POTOCKI we are talking about could be from STANISZEWSKIE (parish RANIZOW)
so on dec 8, 1908 arive a Jan POTOCKI , 17 y old from STANISZEWSKIE.Verfification done on geneteka, he is stranger to this search.
So the inquiry is going on like you can see.
Thank you very much for your help
Best regards
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Temat postu: Re: Family Jan Potocki x Katarzyna Popek from Biedaczow(Ziel
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Temat postu: Re: Family Jan Potocki x Katarzyna Popek from Biedaczow(Ziel
Wysłany: 16-09-2023 - 19:55
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Elza
You're wonderfu !!
I'm happy to tell you : you win the Bingo !
That's why.
First the result is the fact of a virtual team : you, my friend Tomasz SACZAWA and me
Tomasz, a member of GENETEKA, send me yesterday the list of children from the family POTOCKI x POPEK of BIEDACZOW:
That's to say :
Children of Jan POTOCKI and Katarzyna POPEK, house n° 283,
1903-1920:
- Stanisław 3 Jul 1919 - he chooses baptism 28 Jul 1937
- Maria 9 Sep 1913 - - baptism 1-1 Jun 1930, -baptism 2 :11 Sep 1934
- Franciszek 22 Jul 1911 - (hpuse 103) marriage 20 Jan 1932 in Przewrotne, with Katarzyna Sułuja
- Antoni 11 Nov 1909 - (house 103)"
Please do you know the meaning of this baptism date ? Have you ever meet this int the records ?
You see that the siblings of my Agnieska POTOCKI, born in USA, include STANISLAW, born in 1919; What's the meaning of 1937 ?
I think that this Stanislaw is the same include in your last link
"Stanislaw & Ewa Potocki Req. by Jane Yonta" - page 4:
https://container.parishesonline.com/bu ... 20828B.pdf
because Jane YONTA is the sister in law of Genevieve YONTA (born POTOCKA).
Genevieve borned in 1948, naturalized american in 1967, and married in 1972 with Richard J YONTA,
SO I DRAW THIS SCHEME/
Jan POTOCKI X Katarzyna POPEK
syn Stanislaw POTOCKI, born in 1919, married with Ewa POTOCKI ( born ?) in 1937
1948, birth of Genevieve POTOCKI, who emigrate to the USA, naturalized in 1967 and married in 1972
otherwise
Stanislaw POPTOCKI and his wife Ewa came in the USA inthe 1950 '
What do you think of this demonstration
Once more, I see that a good cooperation between many people is a wonderful thing !
Thank you very very much for your help; And Congratulation for your maybe decisive finding
Best regards
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Temat postu: Re: Family Jan Potocki x Katarzyna Popek from Biedaczow(Ziel
Wysłany: 17-09-2023 - 09:47
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Please do you know the meaning of this baptism date ? Have you ever meet this int the records ?
In this part of Poland, children were usually baptized 2-3 days after birth. Record books were written by priests, so for them the date of baptism was important, especially since the entry regarding the birth of the child was made in the book when the child was presented for baptism. |
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Ula
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Temat postu: Re: Family Jan Potocki x Katarzyna Popek from Biedaczow(Ziel
Wysłany: 17-09-2023 - 12:56
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Ula
Sure, I understand and know this. But in this case the date was over 18 or 20 years from the baptism. So i think , if the message I received was translate by automatic softaware , thes date are more likely date of marriage (copulatorum) and decease (zgonu).
Thank you for your anwer
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Pozdrawiam
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Temat postu: Re: Family Jan Potocki x Katarzyna Popek from Biedaczow(Ziel
Wysłany: 17-09-2023 - 13:23
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Gustave,
thank you!! Thank you!! Congratulations to our team 
As for the dates-annotations next to the baptismal records, I encountered situations that these were the dates of making the excerpts/extracts of the metrics, needed, e.g. for marriage or before departure (to take with you, e.g. to the US).
Yes, your demonstration seems very likely to me.
I checked Polish search engines for burials and graves in search of the Potocki family - here is the cemetery in Raniżów:
http://mogily.pl/ranizow/pochowani
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Once more, I see that a good cooperation between many people is a wonderful thing !
I agree!
Pozdrawiam. |
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Elża
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Temat postu: Re: Family Jan Potocki x Katarzyna Popek from Biedaczow(Ziel
Wysłany: 17-09-2023 - 17:54
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Elza
Thank you for your link on Ranizow cemetery
Unfortunately there is nothing about my POTOCKI.
The data about their marriage and decease are too much recent to be published .
Only their relatives could give the good information; May be one day these data will appear.
asyou know wth Katarzyna POTOCKI born POEK we share a common ancestor Ignacy POPEK ( 1786-1746), too far to be close relatives.
However The accumulated material allows me to tell a beautiful story like many Polish lived their ameriacan dream.
let's wait to see if luck will smile on me one day
Once more hank you for your availability.
Pozdrawiam z Francja
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