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Krysia18 - 16-03-2019 - 01:59
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I am researching my family members for Wilhelm Hoppe and Justyna Reich. These are my great, great grandparents. Susanna/Zusanna Hoppe is their daughter (my great grandmother). She married Ferdynand Beschorner/Beszorner (my great grandfather).

I would like to find information on Wihelm and Justyna's parents and siblings, and whether Susanna and Ferdynand and siblings (they had children Pauline and Ida).

Thanks
Krysia
Arek_Bereza - 16-03-2019 - 07:33
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Act of birth Justyna Hoppe
http://metryki.genealodzy.pl/metryka.ph ... 0&y=57

And her act of marriage with Berszoner
http://metryki.genealodzy.pl/metryka.ph ... 73&y=0

Act of marriage of Wilhelm and Justyna Reich
http://metryki.genealodzy.pl/metryka.ph ... &y=436
Krysia18 - 16-03-2019 - 16:40
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Thank you very much for the links! Is there a way this information can be translated into English?
Arek_Bereza - 16-03-2019 - 21:22
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Monday or Tuesday. Main facts only, not the whole acts. Ok?
Krysia18 - 16-03-2019 - 21:28
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Great!
Arek_Bereza - 18-03-2019 - 20:29
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I sent you a private message with translation
Krysia18 - 18-03-2019 - 20:41
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Thank you very much for the translation!
Arek_Bereza - 19-03-2019 - 08:49
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And this is the act of birth of Paulina Beszoner daughter of Ferdynanda and Zuzanna Hoppe
http://metryki.genealodzy.pl/metryka.ph ... amp;y=1827
Krysia18 - 19-03-2019 - 21:20
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Thank you! Can I receive a summary of Paulina's birth certificate?
Krysia18 - 17-10-2020 - 17:06
Temat postu: Looking for Information on Teodor Kindler/Kind
Good day!

I am looking for more information on my grandfather, Teodor Kindler/Kind. This is what I know so far....born 6 JAN 1885, Lodzkie, Poland. I found his Lodz karta meldunkowa do spisu ludnosci, date unknown, stating that he was a tracz, born in Poland, was Evangelical, and was married (however, I was told that my grandmother Pauline Beschorner and Teodor never married, but had a child, my father.) It also mentions that he moved to Berlin in 1918. Thru research I found out that before 1934 his family name was Kindler and for some reason the family changed their name to Kind in 1934 thru a court order.

I am looking for help to find: when and where he died, if he was ever married, and a possible website to research the reason of him moving to Berlin (military service, family/wife, etc.).

Any help would be appreciated!

Krysia
Arek_Bereza - 17-10-2020 - 17:18
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Hi Kris,
Just to remember some facts. Its better to keep it in one topic Smile
https://genealodzy.pl/PNphpBB2-viewtopi ... oner.phtml
Where was the son of Teodor and Paulina born? And when?
Edit
Act of birth of Teodor propably nr 49
https://metryki.genealodzy.pl/metryka.p ... &y=366
diabolito - 17-10-2020 - 17:35
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Arek_Bereza napisa³:

Act of birth of Teodor propably nr 49
https://metryki.genealodzy.pl/metryka.p ... &y=366


And according to that act his family name was Kind in 1885
Krysia18 - 17-10-2020 - 18:47
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Thanks for the responses. I will get the metryki link translated. Regarding the Kind name....hmmm something new.
Krysia18 - 18-10-2020 - 15:49
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Bronislaw Alfred Berszoner/Beschorner was born on July 18, 1920 in Rokicie, Poland. He is Teodor and Pauline's son.
Balthasar70 - 23-11-2020 - 21:36
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Hi Kris,
here are news, the marriage between Teodor Kind and Emma Rothe in Lodz 1905, it was dissolved in 1935:
https://metryki.genealodzy.pl/metryka.p ... 6&y=90

Balthasar70
Krysia18 - 23-11-2020 - 21:54
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Hi Balthasar!

Thank you for the information. I'm hoping this is my Teodor Kind. Would you be able to translate the metryki.genealodzy information in English for me? It would be appreciated!

Thank you.
Balthasar70 - 23-11-2020 - 22:22
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Emma Kind nee Rothe marries Paul Kurt Alfred Büttner in Hindenburg 1934:

https://www.ancestry.de/imageviewer/col ... d=96294455

Balthasar70
Balthasar70 - 24-11-2020 - 11:03
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Hi Krysia,

fund thing:

Bundesarchiv Berlin

Lastenausgleichsantrag

ZLA 1/14459026
Janowitz, Ida
Bestandsbezeichnung
Lastenausgleichsbehörden - Positiv beschiedene Feststellungsakten nach dem Feststellungsgesetz (FG) und Reparationsschädengesetz (RepG)
Aktenzeichen
484/J483
Geburtsdatum
14.11.1905
Geburtsname
Beschorner
Schaden
Betriebsvermögen
Schaden
Grundvermögen
Staat
Polen
Kreis
Litzmannstadt
Gemeinde
Litzmannstadt
Produzierendes Amt
Wilhelmshaven, Stadt
Unterlagenart
Sachakte
Benutzungsort
Bayreuth

Balthasar70
Krysia18 - 25-11-2020 - 01:28
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Hi Balthasar,

Thank you for the Emma Rothe's marriage link; I'm trying to access it and get a translation. If Emma Rothe married my Teodor Kind (my grandfather), then I have relatives that don't know me and I don't know them. I would like to find them, if possible.

Also, I'm not sure what the second set of information is about Ida Janowicz. When using google translate, it mentions reparations. Is this correct? If so, for what?. Ida was my grandmother Pauline's sister.

Thanks for all your help!
Krysia
Balthasar70 - 25-11-2020 - 12:52
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Hi Krysia,
my english is limited, but I try to translate the most important:

1. Marriage Kind/ Rothe

Location: Lodz, St. Johannis

Time: 27. aug./ 9. sept 1905, 5 o´clock p. m.

Witness: Stanislaw Koljacinski, worker, 33 years, lives in Lodz
Adolf Wagnitz, weaver, 24 years, lives in Baluty

Groom: Teodor Kind, bachelor, local worker, native-born Lodz, 20 years, parents August Kind (worker) and Rosina nee Kranich, evangelisch-lutherischer religion

Bride: Emma Rothe, virgin, local worker, native-born Konstantynow, 23 years,, parents Julius Rothe (weaver) and Augusta nee Birger/Bürger, evangelisch-lutherischer religion

side note: The marriage between Theodor Kind and Emma Rothe was dissolved by a final judgment of the Evangelical-Augsburg Consistorial Court in Warsaw on October 5, 1933 under the number 111. ... ???with guilt
of the husband as Impact of Art. 171 the case of the marriage??? ... ban on marriage for 6 years...???
Lodz, 10. July 1935

Balthasar70
Krysia18 - 25-11-2020 - 13:24
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Thank you Balthasar. Yes this is my grandfather Teodor Kind! Wow I have more family out there....they don't know about me, I don't know them. Do you have an idea of how I can continue researching the Kind/Rothe/Buttner families -- to see if they had children? I don't see anything on geneteka. More mysteries to solve!

Your English is fine.....
Thanks,
Krysia
Balthasar70 - 25-11-2020 - 13:56
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Hi Krysia,

we have to collect informations, for example

Paul Kurt Alfred Büttner, first marriage:

https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/co ... pId=263822

And by the way
after world war II in Wilhelmshaven Ida Janowitz had applied for compensation for damage to property in poland. Files you found under No. 484 / J483 in the archive in Bayreuth / Bavaria.

Balthasar70
Krysia18 - 25-11-2020 - 14:14
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Thanks Balthasar. I can't access the ancestry link, if you can (whenever possible) I would appreciate it. Interesting about Ida applying for compensation.

I find all of this information fascinating and a mystery. Teodor Kind didn't marry my grandmother Pauline Beschorner, but they had a child....my father. Just found out not too long ago that Teodor was my grandfather....and he was married at the time my father was born (1920 in Lodz). Would like to find out more about the Kind/Rothe marriage, might have had children (my father's half brothers/sisters).

Boy....what a story! Krysia
Balthasar70 - 25-11-2020 - 15:42
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Hi Krysia,

*1882 Emma Rothe in Konstantynow
https://metryki.genealodzy.pl/metryka.p ... amp;y=1147

Until 1918 in Berlin Bergstr. (Berg-street) lived a Theodor Kind and left the town. He works as a house servant. See the adress-books:
https://digital.zlb.de/viewer/image/34115495_1918/1326/
https://digital.zlb.de/viewer/image/34115495_1919/1310/
Maybe a trace?!

If you want data from ancestry, send your mail address in a PM.

Balthasar70
Krysia18 - 25-11-2020 - 18:25
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Bathasar,

Sent a PM
Krysia18 - 24-01-2021 - 19:06
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I am looking for assistance. I am interested in obtaining a Polish citizenship through my parents. They were both born in Poland, however, I do not have their birth certificates and they are deceased. My father was born in 1920, this year he would be 101 yrs old; my mother was born in 1924, 97. I believe I can only obtain a birth certificate on my dad. Where would I have to start?

Thanks much,
Krysia
Gazda - 24-01-2021 - 20:46
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Krysia18 napisa³:
I am looking for assistance. I am interested in obtaining a Polish citizenship through my parents. They were both born in Poland, however, I do not have their birth certificates and they are deceased. My father was born in 1920, this year he would be 101 yrs old; my mother was born in 1924, 97. I believe I can only obtain a birth certificate on my dad. Where would I have to start?

Thanks much,
Krysia


Hi,
You can have both certificates as you are a close direct descendant (child-parents). I think to make it easier, find out where they were born, you can apply in this city for your parents cenrtificates. (I assume you can prove they were your parents Smile with your own certificate for example)
Krysia18 - 25-01-2021 - 15:46
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Thank you....I will give it a try.
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